Clean Your F*cking House B*tch
Our minds are like houses. When they're new, they're empty. As we live our lives we acquire treasures that eventually turn into shit that creates clutter. Some of this stuff is useful, while some of it is simply junk which just creates obstacles for us. What if we could eliminate the nonsense we don't need, and create more room for useful things? Join us on this podcast where we discuss removing what we don't need, implementing beneficial changes to our minds, bodies and souls, to create a life of abundance and fulfillment.
Clean Your F*cking House B*tch
Ep. 92 - Challenging Perceived Barriers in Health, History, and Humanity
Have you ever considered the true scope of human potential or the weight of history’s unsolved riddles? Join us, Nancy, Kevin, and Lou, as we strip away the self-imposed shackles of conventional wisdom and peer into the depths of the unknown. We're putting our thinking caps on to differentiate between limits and limitations, unraveling the fascinating threads of human capacity and the often unnecessary restrictions we place upon ourselves. With the pyramids of ancient Egypt as a backdrop, we debate whether our historical comprehension is merely a shadow of a grander truth waiting to be unveiled.
This episode isn't just about pondering the past; we also hone in on the present, particularly when it comes to health and personal well-being. By sharing a real-life struggle with high cholesterol, we jump into the fray between symptom management and digging up root causes. Our voices rise and fall in passionate debate over the merits of Western medicine against the backdrop of holistic healing traditions. And when it comes to existence itself, we spin a narrative that encourages an inward journey of trust, engaging with the profound questions of why we're here and what it means to truly live. So, prepare to explore, question, and grow with every minute of our thought-provoking discussion.
Hello and welcome to Clean your Fucking House, bitch. With Nancy, kevin and Lou In our program we get real about the challenges of life and living. Your mind is the most powerful tool you have to ensure you are on your desired path for success and satisfaction. Yet from the day you are born, you gradually and subconsciously fill it with tons of useless shit that gets in your way. Why is that? How can you clean that mess up? We'll show you how. Get ready to clean your fucking house. Welcome everyone back to another exciting episode. Are you ready to clean your house? Nancy, kevin and I are.
Speaker 1:Today, we'd like to explore the concept of limits. It at first glance may seem like an ambiguous word or a general word, or what are we talking about when we refer to limits? And, quite frankly, there is no limit to limits and, honestly, that's what we'd like to explore is what is it that we do in life, how we learn, how we grow? Do we either put self-imposed limits on our growth? Are we open to learning new things, even as fantastical as some things may seem that we're presented with? Thus our topic of the day limits.
Speaker 2:You know what actually the outer limits? You said limits, lou, so I wanted to look up the difference between limits and limitations, and this is interesting. Limits refers to the maximum amount, degree or level of something. Limitation refers to a restriction or handicap that limits something.
Speaker 3:Ah, actually that's a perfect distinction, because I think limitations is really more what I was describing in my introduction versus limits how ironic, though, that the same root word covers both ends of the spectrum the maximum of what one can reach, and then what they cannot do because of the environment, whatever well, it almost sounds.
Speaker 1:If you were to like use those in a sentence, they'd be synonymous. What are your limits? What are your limitations?
Speaker 2:limitation seems more self-inflicted almost.
Speaker 3:Read the description again. I don't, I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 2:Limitation refers to a restriction or handicap that limits something, maybe from the lens of what we were discussing before we started recording, even if it's like a subconscious, self-inflicted limitation.
Speaker 3:You could you could put your own restrictions or handicap yourself by letting you know fear get in the way, not stepping outside your comfort zone. But I feel like society puts a lot of limitations on people.
Speaker 1:We got here because Lou was saying that he thinks aliens built the pyramids and we should thus not put any limitations on the scope of our thinking in terms of how the world came to be and how things on earth came to be. But folks, you know kevin's it literally is true he's not making that up that our conversation kind of started with mysterious things in history, and you know things that occurred that we're still not quite sure of, or we think we know what we know meaning through what we've been taught or, quote unquote, programmed to believe. Do you think it is it?
Speaker 2:possible that we can all just be open minded and really say you know what? Anything is possible. So in the case of the pyramids, they exist Right and we've studied them, studied them and there are stories or I guess stories an explanation of how they came to be. But why is it that we were sitting there questioning that? Because it doesn't resonate right. The official explanation of them doesn't resonate with us any longer, like it just doesn't resonate right.
Speaker 1:The official explanation of them doesn't resonate with me growing up, and whether it was in school or not, perhaps on TV, I can't fully recall, but more often than not the pyramids I believe that I was first exposed to as a concept was through illustrations, not actual photographic images. I believe they were illustrations in a book or illustrations on TV, in other words cartoonish type type things they didn't have cameras back then, when you were in school, right?
Speaker 1:jesus was my friend. But but, no but. And I think as a child you just see this cartoonish picture of a brick which is the limitations of my knowledge at that time materials, I'm thinking wood or brick, a brick structure, and in a book it could be 10 feet high. I didn't realize that it was more like, say, 10,000 feet high. And with that said, then the text that goes along with that illustration. And Kevinvin, you brought this up prior to our recording the slaves built the pyramids. Well, hell yeah, that's believable. We have people who build houses, so of course slaves build pyramids. And that narrative just kind of stuck all these years until all of a sudden youtube comes along and we're seeing actual, you know, pyramid, the size and the intricacy, the labyrinth, nature of the inner tunnels and whatnot. I'm like holy cow, there's no way With today's technology those could have been built. Maybe our limitations?
Speaker 3:come from what we're exposed to, because, as you're talking about that lou, I'm just thinking our images of what we think built history do continue to evolve and change as we learn more or are able to differentiate or discern more. And there are so many lost cities, you know, that are that were buried, whether it was flood or landslide, wet fire, whatever.
Speaker 1:So there's so much more out there than we, we really know, and our limitations are by accepting it for what it is, without thinking in a bigger scope, because, because we, we don't really know right and literally you hit the nail on the head in terms of, say, limitations of knowledge, because part of the conversation that we had prior to this recording folks also dealt with evolution of of the human race.
Speaker 1:Because I was sharing with nancy how I have visited a couple of buildings not too long ago that were built hundreds of years ago, back when people were much tinier not significantly, but still tiny. In other words, narrow hallways, narrow stairwells. Even the furniture that I've seen in various historical structures are tiny tiny chairs, tiny desks. It just shows that folks were tinier as we go back in time. But when you think of the pyramids or any gigantic construction marvel, it would seem like it would take giants to help construct such things, not tinier people, and there's evidence of much larger people or much larger beings existing in years past, decades past, centuries past well, I mean as you say that we don't have to be large to build large buildings today.
Speaker 3:So it is about what were the tools and resources machines, if you will, that were considered maybe machines in that day, but what? What were the? What were the tools they had to support them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and and again. We I think we, at least with my upbringing and granted, there's no way you can learn everything in school. There's just so much knowledge that you know one can be exposed to that there's. That's why people become specialized in different, in different industries and whatnot, because you just can't know and learn everything. But except maybe for that guy in Jeopardy, he's very smart. What's his name? Ken Jennings. He knows everything. But I would think that the human race has always been the way it is. It was never any different.
Speaker 3:And you've accepted that. Maybe, but I did. Yeah, and that's what we're limited by Like, so it's up to us, I guess, where we're, where we really want to go with that is that we're not gonna be able to answer the past or history. We're relying on people to continue to explore that. But, moving forward, we have to expand our own boundaries ourself, to continue to learn in some way.
Speaker 1:You know, that kind of begs the question about science, because there are people and this kind of relates to the whole aspect of people become specialized in certain things, Like I do, tend myself personally to put more trust and faith in the experts and when I say experts it could be of anything. My doctor, I trust, has more knowledge of medical stuff than I do and other experts in the world. But of course any group of people, any industry, can be perverted, or what's the word, when there's bad players, not always just good and honest players. So it's hard to kind of weed out the not so good people. Say who?
Speaker 1:have whatever in the agenda.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think they're still learning too, though. So that's what we have. It's a weird line to draw, because what I'm thinking of as you're talking about that is we have to rely on if we're one who goes to a doctor, right, we have to rely on their knowledge and ability to guide us. Yet they're still learning, and we have to question it, because we're our own advocate. They're not really our advocate. They're just sharing knowledge they have and it might not support our need, and so it's up to us to kind of pull apart their knowledge too.
Speaker 1:Right. And then in the same age, there's also different dynamics that go on. As an example, say, in a capitalist society where a doctor has incentives to make money through more prescriptions, or just as an example and I'm not trying to go down any particular rabbit hole with that comment there's just always different. What would be the the word, incentives and agendas for the way people behave and and what?
Speaker 3:you've hit on one and those people are out there. We don't like that, but there are people who capitalize on things where they can. But also there is, connected to science, you know, research being done in so many, at so many levels, in so many ways that we don't have awareness to, because what's going to come to us is the proof, once they've been able to work through whatever those things and topics are. And that goes back to where we have to rely on it, because they're spending the time in a specialty digging into information that we can't all do. We can't all do the same thing.
Speaker 1:Yep and they have had several years of training in their specialties. I mean, I do put faith in others.
Speaker 2:It gets even more complicated, though, because even if you are specialized in a certain subject like how much of what you've learned create biases that you utilize for the profession and you're no longer open-minded to learning if you come across something different or new or something you can't easily explain. Right, and what you made me think of was my recent health shit with my heart and the one cardiologist the first one I saw was just like need to get on all these pills because there's a study and I'm like asking questions because I'm against like needing to depend on medications, right, and he didn't have an answer and he didn't like being challenged and it was kind of like the whole well, I'm a doctor thing. It's like, well, you don't really even know what happened. I'm just sitting in this office because something did happen, we don't know what. Now you're trying to do this based on what you've learned and got your degree in, became a professional in.
Speaker 2:Then another guy that I see is telling me something different and he's having me follow different steps to try to figure out what the issue is. And he's not about medications. He's against pharmaceuticals as much as possible unless it makes sense. So it's like who, to what level can you trust that someone is able to objectively look at things and interpret new data points and add in new information, even if it opposes fact? Quote unquote what they've learned as fact. Quote-unquote what they've learned as fact.
Speaker 3:I think that happens and this is why I think that I think it's short-sighted of us to think that they're just serving a purpose and want to do the research to prove their belief and move forward. I think in research there's a lot of anticipated results to what I'm hearing you say that also. Whatever the research methods are fail, they don't bring back the answers expected and either they sit in failure or they have to try something new. So I think that research pulls people forward into new, because not everything simply validates what they think going into it no, that that's a huge red flag.
Speaker 1:I mean a doctor who simply is there probably he may not even been looking at you in the eyes as he's talking, just ready to write that prescription, whatnot you know? Huge red flag, because I've had that experience where I felt like I was on a production line, waited to see a doctor, got in to see the doctor and he literally was, I think, looking at his notes. Ok, here's where we're at how things go since last time. Ok, here's your refill and then I'm out the door. Probably all five, 10 minutes I'm thinking was that because I was on an HMO at the time and that was, you know, they get low reimbursements because of HMOs? And he's like fuck you people. You know, unless you're paying for your own healthcare here or in a PPO or something where I'm going to get more money, you're just getting the below standard treatment and that's it. I'll hear you say a few words, write your prescription, but you're out the door. You get 10 minutes go and it's just a shame.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they might be to that point, limiting themselves themselves right to what they think they know and maybe that science around that illness or whatever or get limited or not on board with it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Or limited by their own economic position. Again, shit, I need money to survive as a doctor. I went to school for 10 years and yet now I'm being restricted or limited by the health care industry so that I'm only getting reimbursed $20 for an office visit for the HMO.
Speaker 1:But that issue aside, same thing though. I went to a different doctor, completely different experience. It's almost like the ones who do have more of the open mind which we went down a little bit of a tangent here, but still loosely related to the concept of limits being having an open mind and hearing and understanding different viewpoints nancy's been trying to pull his neck whatever, but go rogue if it makes you feel good.
Speaker 3:I want to share a example of a person who did just that and this. My example is about the person being limited, not the doctor, though they could both be right. So high cholesterol a few years ago. Gets this diagnosis high cholesterol. Doctor says take meds. Person takes meds, cholesterol drops. Doctor says don't need meds anymore.
Speaker 3:Person stops now, a few years later, because they didn't change anything else. So this person didn't make a change to the way that they eat or the activities that they do. And then, with time, oh, symptoms are back, because only the symptoms were treated, not the cause. And now there's this question mark Do you want to go back on those meds or do you want to make some lifestyle changes? Do you want to step out as a person, step outside the box on what are the solutions to? Like kevin said, you didn't want to be on pills, so he himself had to go look for alternatives because he was only getting limitations, um, from the medical arena. And so you know, we could easily slam general medical professionals who follow and get stuck in a rut. But that's what we're here for we want to recognize these places happen in life where either we're the one in the middle of it or we're being pushed into the middle of it by someone else who's stuck in a rut. And how do we get out? How do we get out? How do we?
Speaker 1:get out. And it's important to understand that nobody, whatever the profession, whatever the area, whatever, in my opinion, should place any kind of limitations like that on what they're doing. And what I mean by that is the doctor who only Western medicine related doctor who only thinks that prescriptions or Western medicine style solutions are the only solutions to a medical situation are severely limited. Aren't all medical solutions these days based on some historical natural approach to healing? I always thought that was the case where, you know, plants are used to derive even current chemical prescriptions.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that's too simplistic of a view, but you know why, not have a more open holistic would that be the right word approach to healing? But you know, health medicine has helped a lot. You know there are a lot of vaccines and a lot of things that have been done I don't know Heart surgery, things that have helped you know that didn't exist years ago, that have helped. You know that didn't exist years ago that have helped people to live, survive, live longer.
Speaker 2:Well, I think things are shifting right and I think it's because we have access to information, like at a very wide range. But it's just, it's funny to think about. Like history, right, and we think about what we learn. We think about what we learn, we think about the culture that we're in and not trying to get too into the whole pharmaceutical thing, but the fact that we have, through generations, accepted like taking pills for health is still it's like weird to me now, after learning about alternative medicines or what used to be considered actual medicines before big pharma came into play, right, but we've accepted like we're unhealthy, we take these pills.
Speaker 2:And now, but like there's so much information information especially about our culture and where we live and how unhealthy we are right, like the foods that we eat, the foods that are not available in other countries because of the ingredients, the fact that we consume the vast majority of pharmaceuticals throughout the world, even though we're only a small percentage of the population of the entire planet Like it's just wild. So I think it's very cool that we have access to information, but then who's to validate the information that we have access to, or that we have access to or that we learn about. And then, once you open up certain doors, I feel like there's no closing them. So for those that have found a way to fit into society and they're happy and they're feeling like, they're thriving, like I don't know if that, even if I feel like their viewpoints are incorrect, who's to say they're wrong? And I'm not, because the more shit I learn and investigate, the more confused I am, the more questions I have right. So it's like you know, ignorance is bliss type of thing.
Speaker 3:Sure, and that can be okay. We don't need to know and do everything. We just need to be aware of what's impacting the life we are in.
Speaker 2:That's kind of where I'm at too. It's like I like going down rabbit holes. I've been doing it for years. I've learned a ton right and I have ideas of things and the majority of what I've learned about parts of this world I feel like are not accurate, but at the same time, I make a conscientious effort to not go so deep that it's negatively impacting me. Like there are things that I do that help me vibe higher, and so I try to stick with that, and the rest of it's just like I don't know. The more I look into, the more questions I have. Is it worth it? Like how is it serving me? Type of thing, and it's fun to have these types of conversations these are like my favorite types of conversations but at the same time I don't ever feel like I get anywhere, like we just bounce ideas maybe that's more ideas and it leads to more ideas and, yeah, maybe it is okay.
Speaker 1:Like, maybe that's part of the whole journey. It's meant to be continued exploration and thinking and, you know, maybe that's what makes life life I think so.
Speaker 1:I think we need to continue to learn enough to feel comfortable with whatever might be next yeah, I mean yes, and I, for me, I I am very much on the same page as both of you in terms of there's a lot out there that we just don't know. I don't know what I don't know, but even when I hear stuff that may sound out there, I'm like, okay, well, let me hear more, just to hear more and learn more and understand it. There are that I've come across for me although I think this is part of the growth experience as well, though where it almost seems like and I oftentimes think of the bell curve, the math part of me always comes out in everything in life where there's still those fringe elements that are just too far out there, like too too wacky in either direction, and I'm like and that just just, I think, maybe tells me almost relating it to the doctor example that there perhaps is some hidden agenda in some way, that someone has something that's so wild, or they're just crazy. I don't know I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't think there's a hidden agenda, but I feel like they're impacted by things, so set boundaries that aren't always providing the best, most helpful care. But, lord, I hope, I would like. I hope that they aren't. There isn't this hidden agenda.
Speaker 2:I appreciate your optimism, Nancy.
Speaker 3:I know. But then you know what you could say COVID vaccine, and I'd be right with you. That felt like an agenda and unnecessary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what, though that's an interesting point because and I was thinking of this earlier and like how do we lose things over time? Right, we're talking about how do we know about history and stuff, think about the shit that we've gone through and lived through and how are we going to explain that to younger generations of what happened? How would we document the experience? How will future generations know the truth versus the non-truth? And it won't, because we don't know the truth today.
Speaker 1:They won't. And remember when there was a time when, say, video evidence was something compelling because, okay, I wasn't there, I didn't see it, but there's a video. Now I believe it. Because there's a video. Now that shit's gone out the window. Because you have AI that can manipulate images and manipulate videos, manipulate sounds. I'm like, well, shit, now, even video evidence't, you can't always necessarily rely on it, so it has to be.
Speaker 1:you know, the only ones who know the truth say, are the first party folks who were there even then, but because, like you said, we don't know what the fuck's going on now true and and well and interestingly, even as that as an example, somebody who say was there for certain situations that are vast in nature let's use the titanic as an example, you still may get a hundred different stories about how shit went down because you only have one person's experience in one area of the ship or whatever you know someone say, oh, they, they wouldn't allow the people in the lower class area, they, they locked all the gates, wouldn't let them up. They, they, you know, that was something that they showed the movie like. Well, unless you were there, how would you really know that? And maybe one gate was locked on one portion of the ship, somewhere out of the hundreds, and somebody said, oh, that means that all hundred were locked, or something you know. Again, it's just, we're limited by what, even from first party observation of, of what we know well, even beyond first party observation.
Speaker 2:Like the titanic hit an iceberg and sunk right this unsinkable ship. There were wealthy banker families on the Titanic, some of which ended up not sailing although they had tickets, and the ones that were aboard that went down were ones that were opposing the Federal Reserve coming into play. So, like first person witnessing of what's going on, like they would have no idea if it was something bigger, right, we would still have no idea, nancy, smirking.
Speaker 3:You're leaning into craziness. That's what I'm saying the whole sailing of the Titanic to take people down. Okay, I mean look into it.
Speaker 1:It's not you know what Right it does down, okay, I mean, look into it, it sounds like right, it does sound like, okay, I actually understand that kind of story or that kind of thinking. I actually completely understand it. But the reason I understand it also has me go to a place of questioning, because every single event in life I bet you can say is related to this or that or that or that money. There's always probably two, three, six degrees of separation between some historical event, a negative event, in this case something that went wrong, that could be due to somebody's desire for money, power, something. So there's that part of me that says, well, yeah, every event you could pin on something related to money. But then again's like, well damn, aren't probably most events oftentimes the results of somebody thinking in terms of of money or power? I mean, those seem to be the main drivers of human behavior throughout history that sounds like mother nature to me, maybe, but we don't well it yeah, I mean, but then you go there, you go.
Speaker 1:Well, how convenient that these wealthy bankers were able to put a well-placed, you know, 80 ton iceberg in that part of the ocean.
Speaker 2:But the iceberg is just the official story, just like slaves building the pyramids. It's what we learn. We learn that the earth is a globe floating in space.
Speaker 1:We learn that the earth is a globe floating in space. The other thing is the quote. You use the unsinkable ship. It's an interesting marketing example because that was literally what they used on the marketing flyers for that trip and yet obviously it wasn't so unsinkable because somebody said it was unsinkable, which it wasn't as the actual experience that occurred, but only from the fact that if you look at what they meant by unsinkable and the fact that they had those compartments, that if one filled with water it could block off and you'd have the, so it's like, well, god damn, don't use words like that, because you're making people think that literally the ship won't sink and the simple minded, I guess, did think that and that's what they kind of run with. I would believe. Damn nothing's I did.
Speaker 2:And that's what I went with. What's going to happen? All right guys what do you do when?
Speaker 3:you feel like you're sinking when you're stuck or feel limited.
Speaker 1:What do you do?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know internal say it again I go internal explain elaborate I connect with myself meditation yeah, breathing whatever. Do what I can to become present. Yeah, breathing whatever. Do what I can to become present. Well, when you work, and then just try to connect.
Speaker 3:And then what comes with that?
Speaker 2:I think, just feeling more grounded and maybe more connected to myself, because I think everything external, it's all it's just so unpredictable and chaotic for the most part and uncontrollable.
Speaker 2:But I think a lot of that has to do with us and the lens that we're looking through and how we're choosing to perceive or not choosing to perceive. So when I feel like I'm losing it which this week was a really good example it was a very difficult week for me. That doesn't happen as often anymore, because I'm pretty consistent with taking care of myself and actually no, that's a good point I was thinking like okay, so I'm doing all this shit to like feel really good as much as possible, and I'm having a bad week, and I just reminded myself that everything is temporary, everything changes. I'm experiencing negative emotions. It's not pleasant, but they're not forever, and so I think that was a good thing for me was to remind myself that it'll change. I'm going to keep on doing the things that I know help me and even if I'm not feeling great, I'm going to push through it and I'll eventually feel better.
Speaker 1:That's actually really good advice. And I'm going to go to an area that I just think it's important for folks to keep in mind, because the concept of suicide. A lot of folks who think are in that situation, think that there isn't a light at the end of the tunnel or things can't get better. Think that there isn't a light at the end of the tunnel or things can't get better. And I know I've been in experiences in my life where I came close to that myself and as I learned, either through different experiences or experiences of others, that you know what, yes, today may be a bad day, but it's a cycle 'll go up, we'll come down. We'll go up, we'll come down, and that's just the way life is. But there is, and some some downturns may be longer than others, but it's not permanent. And I think it's important for folks out there who do think sometimes think that way that it is permanent or will never change is develop that awareness or thinking that, no, nothing is permanent, especially for things within your control.
Speaker 3:Sorry, did I get too deep for a second? No, totally not at all. That's great. I think the two of you are on the same line. It's comforting to be reminded that we own, we own our own um being. That sounds so ridiculous, I guess. But but to push out all this stuff around us that doesn't help or bring anything useful to light or bring comfort or whatever it is? Um, we just need to separate ourselves from the BS and look inside for trust.
Speaker 1:And Kevin, in terms of when you do that, the looking inside and using as an example, say you just don't know what you don't know, there's information out there and it conflicts, or what the case may be. Is the looking inside a way for you to then say you know what it is what it is and it's not going to change and I'll just accept that, or is it? I want to get away from it or I'll do more research later, or maybe a combination of those?
Speaker 2:All of the above I was going to say or less like high level. For me it's connecting with, like my true essence or being or energy, or consciousness, or soul or spirit or whatever you want to refer to it as right. Like I do resonate with the idea that when my body dies, my existence doesn't end, and this is all temporary, like even our. We'll take our last breath one day, and that provides comfort to me, like I don't have, like you I don't know this is going to be controversial, but like I don't understand this is going to be controversial, but like I don't understand that I believe I chose to be here. Like, if you're looking at like a soul level, I believe I came here to learn and I feel like the harder shit that I go through, the more I get out of it, the more I grow.
Speaker 2:So I have trust that and this is what provides me cause I do I've been there too, lou right, like thinking about how bad it is and why I would want to be here, but I actually like it helps me to believe and trust that my existence that is being filtered through these limited physical senses that we have, like everything we experience is through our senses and I feel like they're very limited compared to the capacity that we have when we're in our true essence.
Speaker 2:So I feel like when I'm in between lives, so to speak, I know way more than I know right now as a human being. I know way more than I know right now as a human being. So I put trust in the fact that my higher self, who chose to come here and experience this life, knew better than I know. That helps me push through the shit and the misery and the confusion because, like I chose to be here and I think I do believe in free will but I believe that when we chose to come here, we had an idea of the things that we would experience and the person that we would be and a lot of like the big life experiences that we would grow from it and come back to where we came from with a more nuanced understanding and a more holistic perspective of whatever existence is and means that's deep, wow, any.
Speaker 1:What about you, nancy? You didn't share some of your thoughts on what do you do when you confront a situation where you feel limited tomorrow is not going to be the same next week.
Speaker 3:It may take a while to make a shift, but, um, recognizing I don't have to accept it and dwell in it that it can change. And if it can change, what can I do to facilitate that or contribute to that?
Speaker 2:you know what I did before I forget. I'm sorry, but to kind of add on to this concept something that, something that has provided me peace and comfort to get through some of what we term as negative experiences that I think of. Like what, what could existence be like when we're not on a physical plane or in a physical realm? Right, because I think the concept is that we are like either a higher dimension or a higher self. Like probably not physical, right this third dimensional plane. Why would we choose to come here and experience this? Like what's the good? Like, yes, we go through shit and we grow, we learn what's the good, right?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know if you guys have ever heard, I don't know if you guys have ever heard, but supposedly like every, like love, this, this concept of love, and this, it's like indescribable right, and it's a feeling Like I think that exists everywhere from what I've gathered.
Speaker 2:But the physical touch, taste, smell, like maybe we don't have that wherever we come from, and we like what an amazing thing to be able to feel and touch things and taste things and smell things. So it's like I think about, if I didn't have those things, like I wouldn't, I would miss them Right, even like, imagine if you just felt great all the time. Like what does it feel like to feel shitty or feel sad and maybe it's a blessing to be able to even experience what that's like or mourning someone, like having that intense feeling of missing a person when they pass away, like maybe that's also a blessing because it's an experience, and maybe we are just here to to experience all of that well, you know we have talked about this before, and how do you know what makes you happy or feels good or is um acceptable if you haven't experienced what's hard and hooked up and difficult, um, and and.
Speaker 3:So we need to flow through both of those and you'll take with you your mind, will have the idea of what touch and smell and taste are, maybe if those capabilities aren't part of whatever comes next I love the term, the use of the word flow.
Speaker 2:I think that's also a big thing because, like shit's gonna happen, just flow through it. Flow through this life. Don't try to resist things, because when you resist, it persists right. Flow with it. Shit happens, be easy, be like water.
Speaker 1:Are both of you, or either of you, believers in what? Is it? Being born again or reincarnation is the word To be determined. Well, the word reincarnation came up for me because part of me believes, part of me again. With most things, like I said, I'm not 100% or zero, but part of me thinks well, maybe we go through. I do believe in the concept of cycles and with most things, like I said, I'm not 100% or zero, but part of me thinks well, maybe we go through cycle. I do believe in the concept of cycles.
Speaker 1:We just talked about cycles of ups and downs with our lives and how, for every down is going to be an up, and I kind of extend that to the whole concept of okay, we're in the physical world now, when we die we'll be in some other world. Maybe that's a cycle too. We keep bouncing between the physical and the non-physical. But perhaps we don't remember each world as we go through it, because I can't remember my prior physical and then the prior non-physical world. But when we're in the non-physical world, it's also possible that the concepts of touch, taste, smell and all that love don't exist, and we won't know because we don't know. We're now in a new realm with new things to experience. So we just don't know them. And I extend that to say well, we're in the physical world now, so we don't know what we don't know about the non-physical. There could be things that are experienced there that we can't experience here.
Speaker 3:I think that's that inner trust. That's that inner trust and kevin was talking about it earlier you have to trust yourself for that desire, for that feeling and the ability to do whatever that action is, or believe whatever that thing is, and maybe not challenge everything well and not eating and not having food in the afterlife.
Speaker 1:Would that be the non-corporate?
Speaker 3:what a sad place it would be.
Speaker 1:I need food yeah, it was just. But if it's not necessary and we just wouldn't need to know it, it wouldn't be part of our being, because it's not a thing. So, just like again, there's probably some things in that world that exist and that people on that side and I'm using the word people here loosely, but people on that side right now are saying, geez, once I become in the physical world again, I won't be able to do X and Y and Z, but I'll be able to taste, smell and love. It's just. I think each world has its own set of things, advantages, whatever.
Speaker 3:We will find out.
Speaker 1:Attributes. Yeah, I guess. Wrapping things up, one thing I wanted to add is because Nancy mentioned this in terms of and we all talked about it limits and limitations is, you know what If you do have even if it's self-imposed, whether it's self-imposed or not limitation? For example, I'm disabled, I'm in a wheelchair, I can't walk, so I'm limited in doing certain things purely because of my physical situation. But adapt, adapt. It could be that you know what. Don't limit yourself purely for that reason. Think of how you could adapt to accomplish something in some other way without your legs, as that example might apply. But wow, this was a great discussion, very deep discussion. We covered a lot of interesting stories and topics, as we always do. Folks, I hope you found this session educational, entertaining and engaging. We always enjoy your listening to each of our episodes. Check out the other ones and we look forward to you joining us to each of our episodes. Check out the other ones and we look forward to you joining us again on the next one. Bye for now.